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GS & LT, I have seen on other forums many wishing for “it” to happen. They seem to think their particularly version of a righteous rest will come about. Clearly they are folks who have never thought through the details of what life would be like in a collapse.

Whirli, I suppose you are right that “normal” is in the eyes of the beholder. I like living in my little bubble where crime is about as low as happens anywhere in the world. For me, normal is the virtual absence of violent crime. Northern New England not having any large cities nor much of any diversity is not representative of the country as a whole.