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One must understand the basics of what’s really going on. Once that is understood, it all makes sense. And unfortunately, I have to agree with Malgus. The end IS preordained (and not by Deity). From Karl and Fred 167 years ago:

The Communists fight for the attainment of the immediate aims, for the enforcement of the momentary interests of the working class; but in the movement of the present, they also represent and take care of the future of that movement. … But they never cease, for a single instant, to instill into the working class the clearest possible recognition of the hostile antagonism between bourgeoisie and proletariat, in order that the … workers may straightway use, as so many weapons against the bourgeoisie, the social and political conditions that the bourgeoisie must necessarily introduce along with its supremacy … . In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things. … The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.

Forget the word “Communists.” Focus on the philosophy, learn how Cloward and Piven refined that into a more modern adaptation 100 years later, and how Alinsky provided the propagandist means that every one of them can learn in order to win the arguments in a public forum consisting of a large number of an un- or under-educated electorate that then go to the polls and codifies all of it. Then it’s the law of the land, the “will of the people,” and we’re guilty of crimes if we protest it. It’s deceptively simple, and it’s very much in play (has been for 167 years). Note that in the quoted material above, within just a few sentences (actually only eight, which comprise the very ending summary of the Manifesto) the concept of destroying the social and political order comes up not once but twice – in just eight sentences. The ONLY remaining text in that book is the four sentences which follow:

Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Working Men of All Countries, Unite!

So my agreement with Malgus is based on my decades-long, studied belief that we have gone too far to turn back the tide now, at least through normal political means. I believe it was preordained, and we’re in the advanced stages. A look at the 10 conditions Marx and Engels listed as the indicators of being in an “advanced” (their word) stage, at the end of their 2nd chapter, is all that’s necessary to verify that premise. The paragraph immediately preceding that list of conditions reads as follows:

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable … .

Cloward and Piven understood that exceptionally well! Because “we” (collectively, not meaning this group) have not understood it, it is now to our own peril.

But even being unaware of the rest of the Manifesto’s contents, one could study that little 3/4 page final chapter (first block quote at the top) and know all that’s really needed to at least recognize what’s happening. Again, it’s all about “the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.” With that also goes the political, of course.

If one does not fundamentally understand that, one fundamentally does not understand.