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Tolik, another piece of the Russian-German matter is the fact that Russia lost on the order of 20 million people in WWII, and millions more suffered mightily at the hands of the Germans.

You guys are probably right that should there be an actual setting aside of the 2nd amendment or an action that more or less guts it, that line will have been crossed where stay or go decisions would need to be made. Not so much for that specific action but rather based on what may follow once the guns are out of the way. Not sure where the safe haven is though. I can cross into Canada anytime I want being I have dual citizenship but my wife and kids do not.

undeRGRond, yeah it sometimes does seem like we are living in a Matt Bracken novel. I imagine there are some in DC that wish they could accelerate the timeline.