I have a 10,000 pound Warn on the front of my suv vehicle (detachable) when I go into the woods or need to use it. But to actually use it to full potential since my vehicle is only 4000 pounds I would have to hook rear end to a tree or something. In fact this winch is way to strong for my vehicle but I also have a truck with a bumper able to take the weight. I can’t imagine breaking grade 8 bolts but you never know. I lifted the front of my truck off the ground trying to take down a tree limb once. Thats why its called the art of winching. Nice to have though.