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thx Malgus. Going to check that link you posted.

(edit. Readed already bit of it and yes, its totally familiar to my thoughts, ive thought that kind of things already with almost everything ive looked at.. its quite.. shockin to understand what all it takes.. and how much it affects and on what.. like everything around us)

Things really will get wild If much of the knowhow of different things is lost. Even without that, it still gets wild :)

Some time back in history, i though it perhaps is better to die in first wave, than survive it and next ones, as, it isnt too nice world there to be, when forests etc are cut down for energy. Imo going to be quite wasteland globally.