Respectfully, Your being pretty hard on the males here as not getting it, where are the women participating at any level? Almost none. I’ts a very low percentage that have knowledge, skills or desire to even begin discussing post shtf existence so going down that road is going nowhere productively. Leading by example is always the most productive method of achieving results and I’m surprised you have gone this route. Mr Red posted some interesting planing exercises based on potential scenarios, maybe you could suggest a few more for people to work out the bugs in their plans. I realize how time consuming it is to type explicit instructions or details so maybe just starting the topics you feel you would like to see discussed will generate a change in the forum.