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Anselm
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<div class=”d4p-bbp-quote-title”>elijah wrote:</div>Thank you Anselm.

Squatter’s Rights: it’s worth thinking about; thanks for the suggestion.

Elijah, as regards getting land, this might be of help. Anything listed as an urban lot or as farmland is much more expensive than something listed as raw land or hunting land. Anything listed in a local community paper by the actual owner is cheaper than what is listed by a real estate agent. If you yourself place an ad stating what you need, you will be astonished at how many owners will come out of the woodwork who had not listed property which they were willing to sell. I’ve known people who had given up on an area but, the moment they put out their land wanted ad, they got eight or ten replies and found exactly what they had dreamed of.

Also consider this. The Book of the Apocalypse says that a few will survive in the desert. The word desert there means desolate place. It can be the literal desert, like the Mojave, or abandoned buildings in the middle of Detroit. As so many businesses have folded, there are perfectly useable buildings available everywhere at rock bottom prices. Sellers are more desperate than buyers.

So long as you bring sunlight indoors, either with mirrors or with fiber optic cables, you can grow food like crazy inside a building. I mean it absolutely does not need to be a greenhouse. You can buy a small building that used to be a dry cleaners or a VCR repair place, or a massage parlor and turn one of its rooms into a food forest. You can have raised beds in the middle going up classic stairway fashion; trellises; containers of plants hanging from the ceiling with vines dangling; and containers of plants climbing the walls hitched to supports. You can also attach poles with little holes from floor to ceiling and have food vines go up grabbing the little holes for support. So long as your roof is solid you’re in business; the crappier your little building looks from outside, the better.

If you rent, you can still grow a small but respectable amount of food in containers. The important thing is that neighbors don’t see it, or that they don’t recognize it as food — that they thing it’s decoration only, or weeds.

And, if you really can’t get a place for whatever the reason, don’t feel bad. Soon, it’s likely that no one will have property anyway. By A or by B, it will all be confiscated; call it asset forfeiture, sharing or what have you. The important thing is to learn to swim, roll with the punches, adapt …

All that we have prepared may turn out irrelevant. We are learnedly discussing which breed of apple is the hardiest, which rifle jams the least, whether a Kubota tractor is really better than brand XYZ and, in the end, the situation may invalidate all we know and all we have done. Here is the idea: we are aboard the Titanic and figuring out how to put these materials and those together as life jackets but, in a moment, we hit the water and, yes, we float, but the water is so cold that we shall all be dead in 13 minutes anyway. We shall not have drowned; we shall all have frozen. This is what I suspect is happening. Everyone is preparing for the drowning and no one for the freezing.

He will have the greatest chance to survive who keeps his mind most open and examines all sides of an issue, rejecting nothing “a priori”. The guys with the one-track mind, ultimately different variants of Mad Max, will quickly die. More than building little fortresses, we need to improvise and adapt.