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She-Wolf, awesome – thanks for the post.  You pointed out exactly why I started this topic.  I thought that if we had enough time to establish a permaculture type of setup we would have a somewhat sustainable food source with minimal work and also one that would be more secure than the typical blocked acreage that is visible for miles away.  As you said, the permaculture “food forest” can be made to blend in with the surroundings and not resemble a place where someone would automatically gravitate looking for food.  To me, this makes it more valuable than some other methods.

Regardless, I appreciate all input as they all have some valid techniques.

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
- Thomas Paine