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Novus Ordo
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Pipe dreams?  Definitely not!  Isn’t that why we’re all here – to keep this from happening?  Or at least protect those we love and care about while preserving the good?  Using our rights backed by the 2A (last resort), we shouldn’t be standing for those things that triggered other historical collapses.  Maybe we can’t make a full rudder steer correction, but like Whirli said we can sure effect those near us – family, friends and neighbors, and they can affect more.  Anyone for the tri-states?

True positive growth might have to come after a collapse of sorts – I can’t see it turning around with the system as is.  One thing is clear – career politicians need to be kept out of the process.

Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.
- Thomas Paine